02/10/2012 11:28 | By Jonathan Crocker and Neil Smith, contributors, MSN Movies

The Phantom Menace: was it THAT bad?

In the dock, Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace stands accused. Counsel for the prosecution is Neil Smith. Counsel for the defence is Jonathan Crocker. Court is in session!


The Phantom Menace has the dubious honour of being perhaps the most despised film of the last 20 years. With expectations sky-high following everyone's favourite sci-fi trilogy, Part I, for many, failed to deliver the pure thrill the Star Wars universe promised in the 70s and 80s. George Lucas must have instantly regretted the inclusion of infamous alien rasta Jar Jar Binks.

With The Phantom Menace coming to cinemas in a new 3D re-release (The first of all six movies' 3D versions), MSN Movies held a debate. The question: Is The Phantom Menace that bad? Counsels Smith (prosecution) and Crocker (defence) have delivered their statements below. YOU are the judges. Please offer up your verdicts in the comments!

The Phantom Menace (© Twentieth Century Fox - LucasArts)

COMPARISONS TO THE ORIGINAL TRILOGY

The Prosecution
The main difference between the original trilogy and Phantom? There's nothing at stake. Where Star Wars began by plunging us headlong into an intergalactic civil war in which entire planets hung in the balance, Phantom involves a dreary trade dispute in which the only things up for grabs are figures on a spreadsheet. The original trilogy charts a young man's rite of passage from humble farm boy to heroic knight. Phantom, to quote Simon Pegg, is "a veiled whine about having to pay taxes". The first three pictures are fun, fast and epic. Phantom is slow, confusing, meandering and dull.

The defence
Choreographed by Brit stuntman/swordmaster Nick Gillard (Indiana Jones And The Last Crusade, Henry V, Robin Hood: Prince Of Thieves, Wanted), the three-way "Duel Of The Fates" isn't just the best sword fight in any Star Wars film, it's one of the best sword fights in any movie.

Nothing in the original trilogy comes close to watching Liam Neeson and Ewan McGregor take on Ray Park while John Williams' score surges them on. Darth Vader and old Obi-Wan suddenly look like crusty pensioners threatening each other with their walking sticks.

THE MAGIC OF STAR WARS

"By the time he made Phantom, Lucas was the Emperor: the head of a vast, monolithic corporation only interested in the bottom line."

The prosecution
George Lucas was a young man when he made Star Wars. Luke Skywalker was his alter-ego, a restless, impetuous tyro eager for adventure. By the time he made Phantom, Lucas was the Emperor: the head of a vast, monolithic corporation only interested in the bottom line. The magic of Star Wars lay in its exuberant naivety - it challenged accepted notions about what movies were meant to be like and who they were supposed to be aimed at. By trying to repeat what was always lightning in a bottle, Phantom feels false - a mechanical enterprise made for all the wrong reasons.

The defence
If you can shut out the annoyances, The Phantom Menace is full of nice touches. Did you notice one of the rival candidates for Chancellor is called Minister Antilles of Alderan? Just maybe he's the father of Captain Antilles, the first unlucky sod who's crushed by Darth Vader in A New Hope. Or maybe he's the brother of Luke Skywalker's wingman, Wedge Antilles. Few scenes don't hide a detail that might raise an eyebrow or a smile, from the delegation of Spielbergian ETs in the Senate chamber to the cheeky Tusken Raiders hidden on a cliff-top taking potshots at the speeders on Tatooine.

The Phantom Menace (© Twentieth Century Fox - LucasArts)

PERFORMANCES

The Prosecution

Ewan McGregor was dead right when he described acting in The Phantom Menace as "a frowning exercise". That is all he and Liam Neeson do as they wander through one CGI-heavy environment after another, spouting turgid dialogue about the balance of the living force and midichlorians. Oh well: at least they don't have to act with a chandelier on their head like Natalie Portman's Kabuki Queen. And neither do they have to run about yelling "Yippee!" like little 'Ani' Skywalker, played so irritatingly by Jake Lloyd we would have been quite happy to see him die in his Pod Race.

The Defence
Seeing the Imperial Senate for the first time might only give the nerdcore something to w00t about, but for the rest of us, it's a dramatic cauldron for Ian McDiarmid's superb performance as Senator Palpatine. He's the best character in the film, shaded in from the doomy villain seen in Return Of The Jedi to be a brilliantly subtle, sinister, sci-fi Machiavelli who manipulates both sides like chess pieces. It looks like Anakin's story, but in fact, Darth Sidious is the real "phantom menace".

"Darth Maul is the entire saga's most inspired henchman."

JJ Abram's Star Trek prequel couldn't manage one decent baddie. Lucas' Star Wars prequel serves up two. Scary, bizarre and packing an awesome double-bladed lightsaber, Darth Maul is the entire saga's most inspired henchman. Better still, in a movie clogged with CG, martial-artist Ray Park's skills are the real deal. Killing him off was a stroke of lunacy.

Balancing the other side of the scales, Ewan McGregor's genuineness makes him thoroughly believable as the young Obi-Wan. But having watched his persona go through new levels of hardness thanks to revenge actioner Taken and upcoming survival thriller The Grey, Liam Neeson's casting as Qui-Gon looks even better. Smooth, Zen-like and badass, he's the ultimate Jedi Master. For the first time, we get to see "force speed" and how to unlock a door with a lightsaber. Nice.

THE LUCAS ARTS

"Jar Jar Binks is a cartoon - an annoying, stupid and racially insensitive cartoon at that."

The Prosecution
Even with its clunky miniatures and shaky matte paintings, the first Star Wars still holds up. Phantom, by contrast,looks too good, too slick and too darn shiny. There is no sense that this Galaxy far, far away actually exists outside of a computer, or that any of its all-digital creations are ever interacting with their flesh and blood co-stars. Chewbacca may have been just a giant walking carpet, but he was there, on set, occupying space next to Harrison Ford. Jar Jar Binks, in contrast, is just a cartoon - and an annoying, stupid and racially insensitive cartoon at that.

The Defence
Unafraid to nod affectionate to the Ben-Hur's chariot race, the podrace is also a swooping thrill-ride that's sure to be eye-roasting in 3D as rickety speeders go roaring and crashing through desert canyons at hundreds of miles per hour. Visual-effects wizard John Knoll (Pirates Of The Caribbean sequels, Avatar, Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol) also shows us a quieter, grander, more ambitious vision of the Star Wars universe - from the gorgeousness of Naboo to the underwater world of Gungan City.

Nothing, though, compares to... The Spider-Chair. This amazingly creepy-crawling seat takes Nute Gunray scuttling around the Queen's palace on Naboo for one of Lucas' most bizarre, brilliant inventions.

Say what you like about The Phantom Menace. But if nothing else, this movie proved, way before Spider-Pig, that few people apart from Steve Ditko appreciated just how much awesomeness can be obtain by attaching the word "spider" to things.

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CLOSING STATEMENTS

The prosecution

Taking over two hours to dramatise a back story Alec Guinness covered in one soliloquy, Phantom takes a cherished mythology and strips it of all its splendour. The characters are impossible to warm to, the story has no emotion and the only humour consists of juvenile slapstick. The only half-decent addition is Darth Maul and he gets dispatched with risible ease. And it's all so dreadfully pompous - a turgid origin story, dissecting the creation of a villain we were all quite happy to take at face value. After all, does it really matter how Darth Vader came by his mask?

The Defence
Poor old Jar Jar Binks. This pitiable freak never asked to be born upriver in the terrifying Island Of Mr Moreau that functions as George Lucas' brain. But here he is. Too weird to live, too rare to die.

A great film, of course, is more than the sum of its parts. The Phantom Menace is less, much less, and that gangly space-Rasta is surely the most mangled piece in the jigsaw. But hundreds of talented people spent hundreds of hours making the good bits in George Lucas' Star Wars prequel. A fan's re-cut, The Phantom Edit, proved there's a much better film lurking inside the 133 minutes assembled by the man who gave us Howard The Duck. Take a kinder look and you'll see what went right.

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18/02/2012 01:33
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Noel Butcher it was not filmed in 3d ergo it was not real time 3d,  So it will not be as good as any 3d movie filmed with a 3d camera
17/02/2012 11:18
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I am a die hard Star Wars fan, i also admit that the Phantom Menace is the worst of the six but i did however force myself to see it in 3d this week, hoping that if nothing else the pod race would come to life. well...............

 

Dissapointment doesnt begin to describe it. the 3d is terrible in fact virtually non existant for large chunks of the film, i say there without the glasses on for parts of it with no effect! If this 3d effort is what we can expect from the rest then this is a big mistake. Now i know the film hasnt been shot with 3d in mind so i didnt expect to see anything jump out of the screen at me but i expected depth, i just wasnt there.

 

I have a 3d Tv at home that has a setting where the TV attempts to create a 3d picture from a non 3d source, my TV created better 3d imaging of the Phantom Menace from a 2d blu ray then the 3d film release!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Come on George

17/02/2012 11:05
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The hype on the Phantom was beyond believe,all the Darth Maul is the best bad guy ever utter tripe!.He is in the film if lucky 5 mins,sorry George but you wont get me going to see these in 3D and then buy the box set DVD.
17/02/2012 10:06
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The prequels suffered from bad writing (plot, script, dialogue), bad direction, bad acting and the focus seemed to be on CGI, visuals and pushing the potential for the Star Wars toy line. 

 

In my view, the prequels were built on Lucas' creativity and lacked the creative input of others that the originals had......eg. Gary Kurtz, Irvin Kershner, etc etc.  

 

One thing I will say, in my view Ian McDiarmid remained great in the prequels, in partcular ROTS!

17/02/2012 09:24
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Bad film and I struggle to sit and watch it from start to end.
17/02/2012 08:47
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   @  Joseph Mangham
 I agree with you kids have no imagination and want everything handed to them on a plate I did what you said a while back and stopped them watching TV and playing computer games. from monday to friday and its surprising how much more of an imagination they have and even build from lego to create there own fantasy's. As for the films I think that TPM was the worst out of them all but is good in its own right but if not for the Revenge of the Sith it would not make sense.
15/02/2012 16:47
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the phantom menace was ok but jar jar binks was so bad he spoiled the movie for me, and I wish Lucas would stop dicking around with the films they were great and your taking that away from them.

15/02/2012 13:17
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There is beauty in simplicity. The original 3 star wars were simple and are works of art. The last lot are money trains because the stories aren't as good, which is why he didn't make Episode 1 to start with.
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I think it suffered mainly because some many great sci fi films are there to compare it against too. Star Wars was a great film, but it didn't have the likes of the Matrix, Avatar to contend with. Peoples expectations have changed. But overall it's ok. 
11/02/2012 01:17
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I don't think it's so much that the movie is bad, it's just that peoples imagination of the universe, the lore/story it had, was shattered by TPM. I for one enjoyed TPM immensely (as a child, but I still enjoy it) and think it has some parts better than the original series. To me the original trilogy felt old, outdated. I could appreciate for what it was and see why it was regarded as good. But I personally like the Phantom Menace the most, simply because I grew up with it.
11/02/2012 00:45
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its not the worst movie ever made, its the worst of the star wars movies to be sure, but that doesnt make it a bad movie. 
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Jospeh, I don't think it has anything to do with the difference between the young viewers of 1977 or the young viewers if 1999.  Cinema audiences are cinema audiences, and gamers are gamers.  It has to do with however, the filmmakers making a substandard production because they have became complaicent about what they are making. 
Also, I'm not a computer gamer at all, however I know for a fact computer games are starting to come into their own and often have better narratives and require their players to use their imaginations more than most films do these days. 
I predict within the next decade or so that the gaming equivenant of 'Casablanca' or  'Citizen Kane' will emerge and rock the gaming world to it's core. 
Cinema really didn't start to be taken seriously until it;s 5th decade of existence, and video gaming  is approaching that milestone too.

10/02/2012 23:49
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You see,  This proves the difference between kids of the 70's  and the kids of the computer generation.  See in the 70's the star wars saga worked because we could go to those places in our heads we know how to use our imagination.    Now the Stars Wars saga no's 1,2,and 3 These came when Kids were so used to sitting in front of screens and not having to create scenes in there minds,  I.E.  They can't go these places in there minds,  no imagination.  If you want proof lock all the wii's,  xboxes, playstations or anything p.c. away and watch them mope about the house saying how bored they are,  nothing to do.     To enjoy these films the way they are meant to be enjoyed you have to be able to invent these places in your imagination and make it real to you.   Stop bad mouthing them and open your mind up to the force.........
10/02/2012 23:29
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I grew up (like many reading this im sure) i the 1970's and 80's and the Star wars franchise was brilliant, refreshing and exciting for a young lad and introduced me to my first taste of film merchandise.

The films were (i would class along with Alien and Bladerunner) way ahead of their time and visually better than anything on TV at the time i.e - Battlestar Galactica, Buck Rogers, Space 1999, etc.

But.....George, you should have stopped when the going was good - these prequels were like watching computer games with characters and equipment that looked 'Newer' than the people and vehicles on the original films!?

They were too CGI (to appeal to youngsters and production budgets) and trying to be clever to appeal to the thirty something forum nerds who never let go of the '3 proper films'......

The same could be said of the series of flicks James Bond too. They were watchable up to the mid eighties and then got stupid....
10/02/2012 23:20
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You gotta admit, it is really really bad, you dont get the same vibe as the rest of them, kinda boring :/ but the rest rally good.
10/02/2012 23:18
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Am I the only one who thinks The Phantom Menace is a really really good film? Or is that just because I grew up with it as the only Star Wars film we owned?
10/02/2012 22:58
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Probably the reason that it was so bad was that the studio and Lucas were caught up in the flash/bang craze of all films at that time, so the "action/stunt scenes" were more important than the story line.  Also the studio probably wanted to get some return on all the money that they had invested in the franchise
10/02/2012 21:51
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Darth Maul - excellent, Pod Race - awesome, Spider chair - genius. These flashes of greatness are totally overshadowed as P.M. really is still a terrible film. Like many of the posts below, I grew up with the originals. The problem is the new films havent grown up with us. I was gutted at watching a 2 hour toy advert where the best character is introduced and killed off in little over an hour.    
10/02/2012 21:20
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why oh why do u keep punishing us mr lucas!!! WWWHHHYYYY!!!!!

 

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